IBOs talk about making owners in the business, but why is that they take 10 years to find six owners? And that too do business with all teaching and FMCG sector, Hilarious! Time multiplication does not happen even after five years? Truth is, whenever you get to certain pin – platinum or above, they claim ‘last couple of years’. So you can be there without becoming platinum for years with all expenses and once you become platinum, start waving hands in meeting about your success in couple of years! He talked about public franchising cost and cannot duplicate. Amway business can create zero tangible assets, PV goes to nil every month last midnight and they compare with McDonald’s. Franchising fees is an advance and because the brand is already built it is simple to operate as well.
Presenter talks about the margin for the business where money goes in to advertisers and shops on FMCG and now to your pockets. Then why is only 20% is distributed amongst the IBOs when he claimed 30% is manufacturing cost for Amway and that too company hardly spends on advertising sells concentrated products and all of them are either equal or more expensive than market competitors?
When did Amway start giving you all the products, when you talk about monthly expenses, it is obvious that you will buy home care, personal care (which Amway has, not compulsorily health and beauty), grocery, vegetables, milk and other eatables and to some extent apparels. All these are supposed to be part of whatever the monthly expenditure estimate a prospect gives. But in reality Amway gives only few of them and creates a new market in health, nutrition beauty as if you would live without them and you IBOs also buy others outside Amway. So this is the first reason why your credit card or monthly expenses go up straight after you join Amway.
Referring six people is told on the plan but never in reality, as all new guys will sponsored in depth. Reason given is you have to build the leg then only you can move, so you end having depth no profitability and if the depth fails, which is likely because as per 80:20 rule, 6 persons I sponsored in depth 1 or 2 will only get serious and you are already at least three months in Amway! No profits but spending on system would also have started. And he talked about being platinum, my working up line did not reach the position in five years in the business as was aware. Think of all the costs, presenter talks about 150 families succeeding every month! I know it was up loaded in 2009 and by now there should be at least 7200 silvers and above in the past four years! Stunning estimate sir, I salute your statistics of 150 succeeding every month to silver or up 🙂
Exceptional, he talks also about making money generations together, like Albert Einstein 🙂 I really recommend all readers to go through Business Reference Guide for how income plan works. The word Amway is a sin to say, so do not utter, he was comfortable with the system name! Poor Amway, they do produce and take care of customer service and government rules court cases everything and does not get noticed at all in the entire presentation. Products explained at the last point where most people do not give attention, unfortunately the cycle should go this way Product, Price, Place and Promotion.
P.S.: I browsed through the web and got publicly available videos on YouTube and I do not have any vested interest to promote or otherwise someone else’s contents.
Amway Scam 
Bhupesh Choudhary said:
1. If you try to crack IAS for your whole life and still fail to do, whose fault there? Try to learn how to do things you will find everything is possible.
2. Its not a business to fooling people. If someone is fooling you go for Amway site and genuine recommended books moreover encyclopedia.
3. If you can’t differentiate product quality there’s no mean of Amway product for you. Why Rin supreme has higher price than Nirma? Why peoples are paying much more for woodland when they have choice of shree leather?
4. Your all questions have answer itself. Don’t listen anybody else.
Amway Quitter said:
1 – IAS has never been challenged by people in any court of law unlike the greatest opportunity on earth Amway/Quixtra/Alticore Opportunities
2 – I was an IBO and I have read enough books, did 25 contacts a week for eight weeks (four of them successively) numerous 20+ contacts, shown five plans a week ten times, faced 27 NOs straight and I was in the inner circle of the up line from the day one of the business
3 – FMCG is no way a luxury, LOC SA8 are good but will you buy two one litre packs every month, or first question in your business plan how much do you spend on a monthly basis and prospects answer Rs 6000 to 7000 which includes grocery and apparels, travelling etc. When did Amway start selling those?
sowjanya said:
Amway is defenitely not a IAS, first it doesnot give an image in the soceity or power in the hand, so please dont compare with that.
its not one failling to do the business, i hope more than 80% quitting business after understanding everything in the business clearly once they join.. so it is defenetly not a good oppurtunity.. and it is only to make too much profits to the company and paying some buckst to the leaders.. it is highly impossible that making everybody a diamond because there will no more people going to get things done in the down line.. so it goes for some years and all downline people will only spend money from their pockets and defenetly i am not sure they will be able to get atleast their bucks back. so I sincerely advice especially to the youngsters dont attract to this kind of business, which may looks like a shortcut to reach rich..but defentely not..
Amway Quitter said:
absolutely no one starts writing down their experience unless they did everything that was asked by their up line and affiliated systems. Of course everyone cannot be diamond but that does not mean innocent people have to lose so much money on tools and peace of mind.
Bhupesh Choudhary said:
Sorry for late reply and extremely sorry for making wrong opinion for you peoples. you people are not negative thinker but misconducted I assume. I research over this and got to know that most of the peoples quit just because of misrepresentation and pressure from their up line which is wrong. It is good business to be rich but not short cut however some people became diamonds in very short period but it is exceptional, don’t expect the same for everyone. Don’t trust anyone without the proof. You people knows how to use internet and every information is available over here but you need to use only official sites and encyclopedia for genuine information. Here is something I would like to tell:
1. Become a user first: Amway products are definitely costlier than others available in the market. IBO may tell you that is not costlier because it lasts long but I want to tell you it is little bit costlier even after its long lasting. Whatever I use lasts up to 3 months (more than other products in the market) but again it is costlier. For ex.
Amway shampoo (100 ml) costs Rs. 395 for three months other brand 100 ml Rs 80 per month (80*3=240). Still Amway shampoo is costly.
If you go by quality then it is not costly, after using 6 months my friends started asking about what I am using for my hair. Isn’t it worthy?
2. 0 Investment Business: You don’t need to pay any membership fee but need to purchase of 50 pv within 60 days to activate your membership (worth Rs. 4000 approx. currently). You don’t need to purchase any product/ any particular amount every month or in a year. Get the id and became user, purchase product only that you need. There is renewal for every year I think it was Rs. 800 but I got benefit from early renewal and paid only Rs. 480 also I got gifts worth Rs. 1000 plus with first purchase after renewal. So play wise and get more benefits.
3. Earnings: It is clear that company won’t pay you till they get benefit from you. If you are using Amway products on your ID you will get the products on discounted price. If you refer to your friends and others this business will give you more, the amount will increase slowly but definitely. Note: You will get your cut only if you make purchase of 50 pv for that month. Don’t confuse over here, if you are getting Rs. 6000 then I don’t think you will hesitate to make a purchase of Rs. 4000.
4. Meetings: First of all understand that you are owner of the business and not employer or employee. Nobody can force you to attend meeting and similarly you also can’t force anyone to attend seminars. If you realize you need more information then go for seminar, you can also attend product training to know more products and they best way to use. (Trust me anything is useless until you know its use). I was lucky that my up line gave product training at my home 🙂
5. Benefits: I know you people knows all but still I want to repeat some that I like much.
i>. Couples are treated one: You can’t sponsor your spouse as you and he/she has equal partnership in the same ID. This way Amway stopped misguidance. (I can explain if required).
ii>. Transferable: You can transfer this business to your child or sell it to any other as per your desire. Suppose if you reach a level where you are getting Rs. 25000 per month and you want retirement then transfer it to your son/daughter they will get the benefit of Rs. 25000 from beginning and they will have more opportunity to grow.
6. Scope: Its my personal opinion, the living standard in India is getting higher day by day with their income. Everyone wants to switch better products so quality will win this race. All of us love our parents and children more than our self. Everyone wants to give them best in his capability and Amway Nutrilite has wide unmatched range in this section.
I have started to build my team and asking peoples to become user with trust. I provided information after researching from official sites and encyclopedia. I anyone wants to know more then please write here I will try to explain as much as I can. Also I am providing my number if it helps you.
Bhupesh Choudhary
9990303222
(New Delhi)
Prabhakar Bhat said:
Bhupesh,
I liked your style writing, using lists 🙂
1. “Don’t trust anyone without the proof”:
– That’s why we don’t trust most of those Amway leaders. Do they provide tax returns as proof?
2. Become a user first:
– I am. Some products are good, some are not worth the money.
3. Investment Business:
– Upline doesn’t help you if you don’t buy enough products, or training materials. Because you don’t know about the business to start with, you need help. While legally you aren’t obliged to buy, in all practical sense, it is required. And this so called business by design can’t work for 99% of the people who do it.
They say it’s like that everywhere, very few succeed. But that is a white lie. Out of most people who graduate from college lead a good life. Most of the people who do business, make profit. Don’t let your upline tell you that most businesses close within first 5 years. That doesn’t mean they don’t make profit before close.
But in Amway, to make profits (Considering your time value), you have to be a platinum. By design, for one person to be platinum, there has to be more than 100 those who incur loss (considering their time-wage).
4. Amount of work you need to do in order to get profit is way more than optimal. Almost all other traditional businesses, and jobs offer better remuneration. This is worth a full post.
5. Meetings:
– Again, while it is not required on paper, your upline won’t help you if you don’t follow what they tell you. And they psychologically force their downline to go to meetings.
6. You can’t sell this business to others, like you would do for a shop. That is an outright lie. You can sell it to your uplines, but they won’t buy because if you quit, they will get it for free.
Please provide a legal document which proves me wrong.
7. There are better alternatives for same or less price, for most products Amway offers.
If you are doing this to be “Financially free”, I am sorry, there has never been a financially free person in Amway. Not those diamonds, cams you see on stage. They aren’t. If you are doing this so called business to sell products to your rich friends and make some quick bucks, it will work for you.
Bhupesh Choudhary said:
Thank you, Prabhakar for the appreciation. 🙂
I would like to refer you this link: http://www.amway.in/Articles/Article.aspx?pid=7fc29d39-19ad-4446-ab39-344eec941336&ctg=AboutUs
Family
The family is our primary social structure, providing love, heritage and legacy. The Amway business respects and supports the family, as evidenced by the Amway Board of Directors and the prominence of “family” in Amway business. Amway provides the opportunity to build a family-owned business which can be passed on to generations.
Above is the content from Amway official website. This business is transferable with no doubt. If your earning is Rs 50,000 per month from this business then you can transfer it to some non ABO after bargaining. Again I repeat “you are the owner of the business not employer or employee.” For more clarification please visit your nearest Amway office.
Most of the issues occur when up line put pressure on their down line. One of my friend was at 15% but she resigned with her team just because of pressure from up line. It doesn’t mean that Amway is bad, its just because of some people who wants earn more n more shortly.
You are independent to do this business in your style. Its simple, use products> get benefits> refer friend. That’s all.
When we talk next then it comes plan, you need proper presentation, proper knowledge and skills to represent you ideas. The all will come from knowledgeable persons from your up line. If one is not supportive then individually walk to Amway office to grab the timing of product and showing plan training. You can also other ABO for more help. Most of them are very supportive.
Here is something important: Why Amway?
I know MLM through Amway since 2004. I used products and liked but didn’t involve because I hardly trust such things. All network marketing has good money but company must be trust worthy. In last 8 years I saw many MLM companies started did good business and then ended but Amway is the name that still growing and gain market. I don’t need to answer anyone “What is Amay?” Everyone knows it or heard this brand name. I have joined last year to use its products. Last month it clicked in my mind that if I can use its product then others may also interested so I am trying to gain user. I am also preparing ppt presentation to show if anyone is interested.
I am bonding relationship with trust, no fake information no pressure. I hope you would like to do the same.
Amway Quitter said:
Dear Bhupesh,
I know you have never had guts to ask your up line or for that matter yourself – what is the definition of business? Do not say Amway and MLMs are different from convetional business. Anything that should qualified to be called business is one which has – profit and loss accounts, and also balance sheets! When you joined Amway mostly you would have been invited to see a business presentation, starting with a talk of money. But none of you who might have seen the plan in that home meeting or one-on-one would have asked him to get the books of accounts of his business, or at least asked him for tax returns. When you fail to ask questions initially and later all your up lines and LOS starts boasting about follow what is already there – I straight away call that “Cultism”. If you really want to understand the Amway business(?) design I recommend you go through the Business Reference Guide and also read “Smoke and Mirrors of MLM…” (both available here in the blog).
My purpose to write this blog is not to endorse anti-Amway propaganda, but just to showcase what so called Amway and MLM opportunity has to offer you. I was a CORE IBO by the definition of the affiliated educational system.
Prabhakar Bhat said:
Bhupesh,
Every business says they have great value system, culture etc. etc. but that doesn’t matter to me. What matters is the money. You didn’t provide a link/legal document where it says you can “sell” your Amway business to someone outside your upline. I didn’t find any such clause in the contract we sign, or anywhere on their website.
But let me give you a link which supports what I said. That is “Amway code of ethics”, which I presume you didn’t read.
http://www.amway.in/Docs/roc.zip
Please refer to section 6.6. It explains how you can sell the business.
“Offer your business in preferential order to your International Sponsor / Foster Sponsor / Local Sponsor/your Frontlines / all Direct Distributors in LOS/all Emerald Direct in India (same offer to be made to all in order of preference).”
Good luck with that. Basically, you can’t sell it to a non-ABO, or an ABO out of your LOS. That is precisely what I said.
Whether you are the owner of this business depends on how you look at it. Legally, you are an “Individual Contractor”.
Amway is morally bad because it nurtures these “Business Support Systems”. Financially it is a wrong choice, considering the expenses. Everything is simple only on paper. Instead of Amway you can get many real franchises which offer better earning potential.
I remember someone saying, everyone joins at least one MLM in his lifetime. Looks like you are completing your quota. I have already completed my quota of MLM by joining Amway.
I would suggest you one thing though. Just keep accounts of the money you spent & earned as following.
Your expenses:
* The phone calls you make in contacting process, or anything related to Amway
* The transport expenses (Bus, Petrol, Diesel, whatever)
* Any support system materials you buy for yourself or others (CD, Books, Meeting fees, Function tickets)
* Extra products you buy (the ones you would not need, but buying it because you need to achieve a pin level, or to “try products in my business”)
* Your time (with whatever amount you think your time is worth, in hourly rates).
* And obviously, the money you paid to buy products, which you are going to sell others
Against your earnings:
* Profit by selling the products
* Commission from downline purchases
I hope you will agree that keeping accounts is necessary for any real business. Do this for whatever period you wish. Six months? One year? Your choice. If your earnings are substantially high, I will be really happy for you. For 90% of those who join, it isn’t. And there is one more thing, if you are that good in selling that you are making good profit by selling Amway products, then you can make huge profit in real estate or by selling cars.